20 October, 2020

The pandemic and technology disruption have pushed dozens of well-known enterprises to the edge of bankruptcy and beyond. In this episode we explored what is happening to the traditional (and huge) industries that have been impacted the most, and how they might be reinvented, Where are the hidden treasures in the “shipwrecks”?

We discussed:

  • What traditional industries are affected the most
  • What separates winners and losers in the new environment •
  • Opportunities for turn-arounds and reinvention
  • Startup opportunities in struggling industries
  • Leadership attributes needed to succeed

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Frode L. Odegard is the CEO and Founder of the Post-Lean Institute and the Founder of the Post-Industrial Forum. His focus is on developing a new post-industrial management science. Frode studies how corporates, investors and policymakers can best navigate humanity’s transition to a post-industrial civilization and economy.

Frode is the author of a forthcoming book on the post-industrial transition and speaks to international corporate and investor audiences. His last keynote before the pandemic was in front of a PE audience with a total AUM of $4.3 trillion. The Post-Lean Institute provides educational, advisory, and strategic services to corporates and investors to help them turn disruption into opportunity.

A serial entrepreneur since his high school years, Frode’s multi-disciplinary background stretches from theoretical computer science to the boardroom. He has a deep background in organizational design and a passion for history, linguistics, disruptive technologies, and philosophy. When not at work, he is usually in the dojo practicing traditional Iwama style Aikido.

Alexandra “Sasha” Johnson is the co-Founder and Managing Director of HEED Capital, an SF-based venture fund catalyzing sustainable innovations, and President of the Global Technology Symposium, a premier investor conference on global emerging markets held annually in Silicon Valley since 2003.

Alexandra is a prominent Silicon Valley venture investor with 20 years of experience. Alexandra entered the higher league of the venture capital industry by joining forces with the leading investors Tim Draper and Steve Jurvetson and managing the joint venture fund DFJ VTB Capital Aurora. They invested in a broad range of companies targeting enterprise, material science, alternative energy, and industry innovation founded by the top international teams.

DFJ was one of the top three venture funds in the world, the investor in Skype, Box, and the early investor of all Elon Musk’s companies (Tesla, SpaceX, and Solar City). Other highlights include Grid Dynamics, a digital transformation platform, that went public on NASDAQ in 2020, with 20% up its initial IPO price (Alexandra was a board member), and Rolith, a Silicon Valley-based nano-fabrication company, which got acquired by Metamaterial Technologies Inc. (MTI) in 2016. Deals led to multiple double digits exits for investors. Tim Draper now runs his International Network of venture funds and Draper University in Silicon Valley. Steve Jurvetson runs Threshold Ventures.

In the last several years Alexandra has been serving as a board member of multiple tech companies, angel investing and syndicating venture deals in Silicon Valley. She is also an ultimate connector due to her extensive co-investment network and the network around the Global Technology Symposium (GTS). GTS speakers in different years include Don Valentine (Founder of Sequoia Capital), Sheryl Sandberg (COO of Facebook, Carly Fiorina (CEO of HP), Senior Partners of the top VC and CVC funds (Kleiner Perkins, Microsoft, etc.), and top mind in academia (Stanford, Berkeley).

In addition to her exceptional investment expertise, Alexandra also has substantial operational experience. She was a CEO of Libritas, Inc., a venture-backed provider of IT products, and managed telecom services for both SMB and Fortune 500 Corporations. She led the company through the tough times and grew the business to a successful M&A in 2001.** Alexandra was named among Top 20 most influential men and women in Bay Area finance in 2015 (Worth). She received an M.A. with honors from the Far Eastern State University, Vladivostok, and a Ph.D. from the University of St. Petersburg. She also has an M.B.A. from the University of California, Berkeley.

Ken Gatz is the Founder & CEO of Proseeder Technologies, an enterprise platform for Corporate Venture and Innovation. A serial entrepreneur, Ken previously co-founded BioIVT, a life science tools and bioinformatics company which exited to a private equity firm in 2013.

Ken is skilled in Technology, Law, Life Sciences, Capital Markets, Corporate Venture and Innovation. He has a JD focused in International Business Law from Quinnipiac University School of Law. Ken has completed the Stanford GSB LEAD program in Corporate Innovation 2019.lexandra is a prominent Silicon Valley venture investor with 20 years of experience.

Fred Thiel is the Chairman and Chief Advisor of Thiel Advisors, Inc. He is also the Chairman of the Board of Advisors at the Post-Lean Institute.

Fred is a senior trusted advisor to management teams, boards of directors, private equity and venture capital firms and their portfolio companies. Fred sits on a number private and public company boards, including Marathon Patent Group (NASDAQ: MARA), OptConnect, GateKeeper Systems, Oden Technologies, NoCell Technologies, Sequent Software, and Dorner Manufacturing.

Fred has over 25 years operating experience leading companies in the technology, data communications, Internet, IoT, AI, automation, Big Data, digital media and software industries. As a CEO, he has led companies through rapid growth to IPO, repositioned companies for high value exits to strategic and financial acquirers, led M&A and roll-up strategies, as well as successfully executed corporate turn-arounds and wind downs. Fred has repeatedly driven rapid growth and generated hundreds of millions of dollars in shareholder value.

Fred is a respected expert and frequent speaker on the digital transformation of companies and industries. He provides deep technology industry expertise, and strategic advice on transformational value creation – the process of generating exponential growth in shareholder value. Fred is also frequent speaker and futurist in the areas of IoT, smart systems, collaborative and autonomous systems, artificial intelligence, digital humans, financial technology, blockchain, next-generation payment systems, predictive analytics and Big Data.

About the Post-Industrial Forum

Brought to you by the Post-Lean Institute in collaboration with industry partners, the Post-Industrial Forum is a unique global community with the purpose of developing and promoting a better understanding of the post-industrial transition and how to navigate it. Members include corporate executives, board members, investors, entrepreneurs, policymakers, and experts in various fields.